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amberdreams ([personal profile] amberdreams) wrote2012-05-25 06:21 pm

Crowley - what exactly is he?

I know Mark Sheppard is continually winding fans up by pointing out that Crowley has never shown any evidence of being a Crossroads demon - or any other kind of demon that we know of for that matter - because the show has never let us see his eyes change to black, red, yellow or white.

Then in the finale, I noticed that Crowley was making things happen by clicking his fingers.  And we all know who was the last person we saw doing that, don't we?  Yup, Gabriel aka the Trickster.  I can't recall without checking whether Crowley has done this before, or whether it was something new, but that has got me thinking about what Crowley could be, if he isn't a demon...and what that might mean for Dean in Purgatory, or Sam fighting the left over Leviathans.

More fun speculation, eh?


[identity profile] monicawoe.livejournal.com 2012-05-25 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Crowley turned out to be an angel. Two main reasons:
First- In 'Family Matters' Crowley disappears and we hear angel wings - now granted this could have also been a hint at Castiel's invisible presence, but still..

Second - I've always believed Azazel himself was a fallen angel - I mean look up his name in the lore! In the anime he is an angel in canon. I think the rulers of Hell either have to be angels, or appointed by Lucifer. Lilith and Azazel were both Lucifer's disciples.

This supports the idea that Crowley has just been pretending to be a demon - for starters, he just isn't that old. There have to be millions of demons older ( and thus in theory stronger) than him. So why is he the king? Because he isn't who or what he says he is.

[identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com 2012-05-25 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point about Azazel - and Lilith. Presumably her power came from being the first and (hinted at) Lucifer's beloved. And of course, we don't really know how old Crowley is; if he isn't a demon, all that stuff about him being Fergus McLeod could have been a big fat lie. So he could be one of the angels who fell with Lucifer right at the start, who maybe became disaffected and is rebelling in turn against the Morning Star.

It's difficult to research these things as the show often puts its own twist on the theology/mythology but I really hope they do make something of Crowley...

I'm going to have to rewatch Family Matters now!

[identity profile] quickreaver.livejournal.com 2012-05-25 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I second this suppostion!

[identity profile] auntmo9.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I thought the same thing about Crowley snapping his fingers in the finale...though a part of me also wants Gabriel to be in Purgatory and to come back and tell him to stop it because that is his bit!

But certainly there is more to Crowley than meets the eye!

[identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh I don't think Gabe could be in Purgatory, surely? Though with SPN's skew on things, who knows what their rules will be...

[identity profile] auntmo9.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
Well, Gabriel did take on some pagan qualities when he was in his own little Witness Protection Program...that might make the rules different for him?

[identity profile] de-nugis.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if the finger snapping is a Trickster thing rather than an angel thing -- I think Tricksters still existed in Spnverse, didn't they, even if the one we encountered turned out to be Gabriel in disguise? And Gabriel could have taken on their mannerisms as well as their modus operandi. It would be interesting if Crowley ended up connected outside the heaven/hell axis, and I sort of like the idea that his very lawyerly habits might be a form of trickiness.

And I want to keep the wing sound in Family Matters as Cas in my headcanon, because it would make me happy to think the writers were giving that clue in such a subtle way.

[identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I was wondering about the Trickster thing too, as I think it is only Gabriel we've seen doing the finger click - I don't recall any other angel using that gesture.

Whatever, I really love the potential for Crowley to be more than he appears - it's another thing they've left us with that makes the potential for Season 8 that much more exciting...

[identity profile] theymp.livejournal.com 2012-06-01 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm... I wonder...

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[identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com 2012-06-01 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
LJ is right...and thank you!!!!