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amberdreams ([personal profile] amberdreams) wrote2015-12-10 10:05 am

S11E09 insta-reaction post

Spoilers, obviously.
O Brother Where Art Thou?  Where indeed...

I was sitting there watching with my customary interested neutrality (customary since Season 7) when I was hit with a tingle of Feels during the Amara Dean scene by the lake. When she moved closer to him and opened her mouth, as if she was about to suction his soul, then kissed him instead - I don't now, something about that moment (putting aside the obvious desire of all of us to lip-lock Dean) really got to me.

Plus it has me wondering even more whether Amara didn't take Dean's soul in that moment because she already has it (or their souls - if God and his sister have one? - are somehow merged). Hence he can sense when she is near.

And then I got even more Feels when Sam faced Lucifer and finally found out that his visions were not from God but Hell-sent by the Devil. And that, my dears, broke me alongside Sam.  I've been saying all along that it made no sense for God to be talking to anyone, let alone Sam, and that we were never given enough information about what Sam had seen in order to make our own theories - so this denouement made perfect sense to me, knowing it was Lucifer all along, influencing Sam from inside his cracked cage. And it did make sense for the return of the Darkness to have caused some upset in Hell, and the Cage to be weakened to some extent.

There are still lots of questions, for instance -


Where's Michael in all this? (And Adam)
Where exactly are Sam and Lucifer right now? Because they don't appear to be in the actual Cage - which makes sense if the Cage can only be opened by someone possessing all the Horsemen's rings. (Though of course, the current writers may well have forgotten that, or be planning to subvert it).
Or I suppose, more to the point, where is Sam's body? Is Sam physically inside this pseudo cage with a physical/non physical manifestation of Lucifer? I'm guessing Lucifer isn't actually there, and he does indicate that his form isn't real (would go up in a puff of smoke topside, which is partly why he needs Sam). So maybe neither Sam nor Lucifer are physically there. Damn, this is starting to sound a bit like Schrödinger's cat!
Surely Lucifer won't torture Sam's body, because Lucifer wants/needs a strong, vital vessel. Unless Lucifer believes he can heal any physical harm he does to Sam, when and if he gains possession of said vessel.
How much has the Cage been weakened? Will the cracks get bigger?
And of course, how are they going to get Sam out? And what state is he going to be in when they do?

Both Jared and Jensen were excellent in this episode. Amara is intriguing – her sincerity, her terrifying power and the depth of her desire to find God, combined with that particular actress’ sculptural look is a great combination. I really like the way they are writing this so that Amara’s seeking is shown alongside humanity’s seeking for God, letting us draw whatever parallels we chose. Both Crowley and Rowena had a real purpose in moving the story along. Similarly, the disposable angels were there for a reason, so it worked. Having Castiel absent also worked, because he had no role to play and therefore would have been a distraction.

I don’t think the episode was necessarily one of the best ever, but it was gripping, and worth watching just for the Dean and Amara scenes, and the Sam and Lucifer ones.

I’m really excited for all the possibilities for the rest of this season.

[identity profile] kazluvsbooks.livejournal.com 2015-12-10 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
For a mid season finale, i thought it was excellent!

Re the cage: the spell just transferred Lucifer from one cage to another. A more neutral zone. Michael and Adam are still in original cage.

The whole cast knocked it out of the park, gosh they are good.

[identity profile] amberdreams.livejournal.com 2015-12-10 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
So you think Lucifer is actually in Crowley's cage? Because if it was that easy, why didn't the demons who were trying to spring Lucifer for all those years just transfer him then let him out of the new cage?

I get the feeling I'm over thinking this. Ha ha ha!
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[personal profile] sinfulslasher 2015-12-10 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
The way I understood it, Lucifer was basically summoned into Crowley's cage by Rowena, thanks to a spell found in the Book of the Damned. Since she is the only one who could read/decipher it, none of the other demons would've been able to get Lucifer out of his "real" cage that way.

So my theory is, Lucifer is actually in Crowley's cage (supposedly held by the wards...until he just "turned them off" and transferred Sam into the cage with him). I also think Sam is there in person/body. With the wards no longer working, Lucifer could possess Sam and then saunter outta there.

Fun times ahead! I really hope we get to see Samifer again. Jared was awesome in that role.

Considering who wrote this ep, I was more than a little surprised how damn good it was. Seriously, when I saw the names of The Duo That Shall Not Be Mentioned, I was like, "awww man, dammitalltohell." But! They actually managed to write a good script (for the most part).

[identity profile] amberdreams.livejournal.com 2015-12-10 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed, the Terrible Twosome actually didn't cock it up totally, thank goodness!

Mmm I'm not sure if Lucifer actually has a physical form at all at the moment, given that there's no need for him to be in a human vessel in Hell - that's for television LOL. So if he is in Crowley's cage presumably it's in his angel true form - or it's an illusion/his spirit? IDK.

[identity profile] kazluvsbooks.livejournal.com 2015-12-11 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
yes ditto to this :D